tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037283511791624881.post3622124421942724312..comments2024-03-20T02:49:01.256-04:00Comments on Sexual Abuse: A Guest Blog by DSM-5 Paraphilias Subworkgroup Chair Dr. Ray Blanchard on Proposed Criteria for Pedophilic DisorderSAJRT Bloghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09979090355557632191noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037283511791624881.post-44553261996696617912017-01-07T07:29:44.546-05:002017-01-07T07:29:44.546-05:00Don't confuse illegal behaviours with the conc...Don't confuse illegal behaviours with the concept of "paraphilias". They are two different things. The DSM 5 still seems to confuse these issues too. "Paraphilias" (if indeed they are pathological at all) are nothing more than thoughts/fantasies. To act on the illegal ones is probably the product of other psychological processes (e.g. poor impulse control).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037283511791624881.post-84966166761383855212013-07-04T22:03:40.701-04:002013-07-04T22:03:40.701-04:00If this qualifies pedophilia as a mental disorder,...If this qualifies pedophilia as a mental disorder, then male sexual attraction to a post-menopausal woman must also be a mental disorder. The point about evolution is that is has provided humans with a very flexible range of sexual interests. If there is a universal biological potential for sexual attraction to post-menopausal women, it is similarly likely that there is also a univsrsal potential for sexual interest in children. The reason most of us don't realise this potential is because we've learned not to. It's not a mental disorder - it's against the (social) rules. It's a crime. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037283511791624881.post-86598949403050920192013-02-06T05:12:37.754-05:002013-02-06T05:12:37.754-05:00Ok for all this argument of what is mental illness...Ok for all this argument of what is mental illness and what isn't. End result should be what? A child, a 6yr old say, can not give informed consent to be raped/molested/made to have sex with an adult. They are not physically nor mentally capable of doing so without damage being done to both sides of them. So what is to be done to the man that par-takes in his desires to the detriment of the child? Let there be no mistake - damage to the child occurs no matter what argument for mental illness or not, ends up being. <br /><br />End question - what happens from this point on? I can GUARANTEE you, that child is ruined for life not matter what.<br /><br />And seriously, isn't this just one more way to "excusing" bad behavior? When do you make people responsible for their actions instead of always saying "He wasn't in control."?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037283511791624881.post-55685336342201039012012-05-06T17:28:45.081-04:002012-05-06T17:28:45.081-04:00Oops! My mistake. I forgot to hyperlink the source...Oops! My mistake. I forgot to hyperlink the sources I provided. Here you go: <br /><br /><a href="http://www.breastcancerwatch.org/research/tannerstaging.pdf" rel="nofollow"> Tanner stages</a><br /><a href="http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/dsm5-in-distress/201205/dsm-5-rejects-hebephilia-except-the-fine-print" rel="nofollow">ICD-10 changes</a><br /><br />Again, sorry about that.<br /><br />R1researcheronehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576084808353132904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037283511791624881.post-3475810330611781632012-05-06T17:19:48.779-04:002012-05-06T17:19:48.779-04:00"It is beyond question that there exist men w..."It is beyond question that there exist men who are most attracted to children in the early stages of puberty, that is, in Tanner stages 2 and 3 (generally ages 11 through 14)"<br /><br />Actually, Robin, this is not entirely true. Take a look:.<br /><br />http://www.breastcancerwatch.org/research/tannerstaging.pdf<br /><br />Age 13 starts Tanner stage 4, and most teenagers at this age quite distinctly exhibit physical manifestations of sexual maturity (i.e. considerable breast size and noticeable pubic hair). Only a few "late-bloomers" are likely to fit into earlier stages, which does not justify placing those in the 13/14 age range into a category denoting "sexual immaturity". Most 13-year-old girls can conceive, and many do conceive every year. As you should know, the ability to conceive is the primary determinant of sexual maturation.<br /><br />Prepubescent children cannot do this, can they?<br /><br />Also keep in mind that the onset of puberty arrives earlier today than in previous decades. As a matter of fact, many modern-day 11-/12-year-olds do show physical differences than those younger, and some in this age range have also been known to conceive. You have alluded to this distinction in the article above:<br /><br />"...then the description of prepubescent children in the diagnostic criteria for pedophilia as 'generally age 13 years or younger' should be amended to something less misleading. 'Generally age 10 or younger' would be closer to the mark for contemporary children."<br /><br />Yes, the upper age range in the DSM is too high, as it reflects earlier decades--not today. It should be changed (if for no other reason that to eliminate confusion regarding the onset of puberty). To that, you and I agree. That doesn't change the fact that those who fall in the 11-14 age range are biologically ready and capable of copulation and show it; if anything, the need for a change in the current criteria for pedophilia confirms this.<br /><br />Pedophilia is defined as it is and deemed a mental disorder for a reason. "Hebephilia" (as a 'condition') has been around since the 1950s. If it were ever considered to be mentally aberrant, it would have been inducted into the DSM years ago when the onset of puberty came about later. Why the need to now when 13-/14-year-olds are more sexually developed and capable than before?<br /><br />By the way, prior to the twentieth century marriage and/or sexual relations between adults and 13-/14-year-olds was common and acceptable. I presume all of those individuals involved had a "mental disorder" as well? <br /><br />As for the ICD-10 error, changes are underway to correct it. See item 2, paragraph 3:<br /><br />http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/dsm5-in-distress/201205/dsm-5-rejects-hebephilia-except-the-fine-print<br /><br />And, no, I don't condone it; I just see it for what it is and understand why so many adult males are and always have been drawn to young fertile adolescents. <br /><br />I hope this adds some insight to the discussion.<br /><br />Have a pleasant day and week.<br /><br />R1researcheronehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12576084808353132904noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037283511791624881.post-19057839567592577412012-02-08T01:58:03.434-05:002012-02-08T01:58:03.434-05:00Anon... After the paragraph you first quote, it go...Anon... After the paragraph you first quote, it goes onto counter this argument for the reasons you then outline.<br /><br />For my part, I like that there is a clear distinction made. It means that offenders (hebephiles) are not able to rationalise their behaviour as being 'better' than pedophiles, as both have predatory antecedents.<br /><br />Michelle Pfeiffer is hot. Now, yesterday and tomorrow. Not being able to conceive does not reduce her hotness. She is defined by law as being able to make an informed decision as to whether or not to participate in whatever (legal) behaviour she likes. Therefore, it is legally, morally and socially acceptable to say that she is 'hot'. Who defines the norms? The community, informed by legal, medical, moral and social conventions. That is why they are called 'norms'.<br /><br />ToddAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037283511791624881.post-43312344929552313772012-01-25T20:36:58.582-05:002012-01-25T20:36:58.582-05:00By 12:33 p.m. Anonymous' logic, a post-menopau...By 12:33 p.m. Anonymous' logic, a post-menopausal woman is "unable to reproduce", thus "performing sexual acts with them would be inappropriate in evolutionary terms". So, sexual attraction to a post-menopausal woman (e.g. Michelle Pfeiffer, Diane Keaton, Kim Basinger, Julianne Moore, Susan Sarandon, Madonna, Jane Seymore) is a paraphilia.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037283511791624881.post-52051647018717091582012-01-25T06:04:38.262-05:002012-01-25T06:04:38.262-05:00Same with homosexuality and asexuality.Same with homosexuality and asexuality.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037283511791624881.post-51053844660614089082012-01-24T15:33:36.301-05:002012-01-24T15:33:36.301-05:00Considering sexually immature people are by defini...Considering sexually immature people are by definition unable to reproduce, then sexual attraction to them, and performing sexual acts with them, would be inappropriate in evolutionary terms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4037283511791624881.post-42440270339825059282012-01-24T13:34:11.338-05:002012-01-24T13:34:11.338-05:00"if pedophilia is a mental disorder, then heb..."if pedophilia is a mental disorder, then hebephilia is a mental disorder. Both involve sexual attractions to persons who are physically quite immature."<br /><br />Oh I see, since both involve attraction to physically immature persons, that mean they must be mental disorders! Why shouldnt the attraction to physically mature person be considered a mental disorder instead? Who says what is normal and what isnt? <br /><br />Why attraction to physically mature persons=normal, attraction to phyiscally inmature persons=abnormal? Who made that idea? it is a social construct, there is no reason why attraction to physically inmature persons should be more of a mental disorder than attraction to mature persons.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com